If you delete patreon,
as a hashtag on twitter seems to suggest,
how will this affect the people you are currently patronizing?
If everyone who reads your hashtag does the same… how will THAT affect them?
Do they have ko-fi? Paypal subscriptions? Is Dwolla still around?
I mean, you COULD mail them cash monthly, but the USPS at least does not rec that and stamp prices are going up.
@aldersprig what has Patreon done now?
@aldersprig i'm having a split reaction between "what are people mis-characterizing now" (after the Dec '17 debacle) and "did they actually do something this time, this is why infrastructure chokepoints make me nervous"
@snipejaeg Well, I don’t remember Dec ‘17 being a mischaracterization, just a backpedal, but I might be missing something.
It appears that someone said something on Twitter and Patreon banned them for saying nasty shit.
@aldersprig assuming it's in reaction to this post https://patreonhq.com/hate-speech-on-patreon-a9026e52c2cf it sounds like they're in the right, at least as far as who's punching which direction
(the Dec '17 thing was badly communicated/rolled out by Patreon, but i also saw reactions that implied/claimed all the money that had gone to CC processing fees would now be going to Patreon's profit margin, which seemed like deliberate bad faith to me)
@aldersprig re-reading my toot, realizing the pronouns have unclear antecedents - it sounds like Patreon* is in the right, as far as banning a jerk who was punching down
@aldersprig And SubscribeStar just got booted off their payment processors, Libreapay is nice but doesn't let you know who is paying you, and Drip is still in beta ? (I can't tell from the website).
I have a secondary funding option through Snipcart on my website but only one person (a coworker) has ever considered doing that.
Plus, there are few frameworks for managing said users if you spread out across sources.
@dmoonfire I know Patreon has a lot of problems but I’ve definitely gotten a more settled regular income from P than ever before.
And yeah, I CAN do it on Wordpress sort of, but what a pain in the toukas.
@aldersprig The other drawback is a WP setup isn't as trusted as P (or Snipcart, Square, Swipe). It is that branding that sells a lot of thing, plus "one account to rule them all" when it comes to helping encouraging others to start helping.
Plus, in theory, if you combine P donations into one, there is less processing fee because it becomes a larger one instead of lots and lots of smaller ones.
@aldersprig I'll admit, having the extra layer of abstraction of Patreon also helps with erotica since that is so frequently kicked off funding networks just for being uncomfortable.
And I was so close to hitting double digits. :P
Since then, I've seriously considered getting rid of P and everything else. It doesn't seem to be working for me.
that was when I mostly quit using it for everybody but this last one; like the writing was on the wall - fortunately everybody but this one had a paypal option too
I can't bring myself to care they kicked some MRA off their platform, but I do think it highlights that communities hosted on Patreon are controlled by Patreon and that should give independent creators pause, and it's not just that allowed content policies can change but ANY hosting policies
@aldersprig @dmoonfire fair enough - and like I said about Amazon, I don't blame creators for using it - people have to balance their time and energy and if Patreon gives them more income and convenience, then maybe the trade is worth it
I'm curious about using it to run fan communities though, does it give you the tools to bounce the community to your own controlled sites (like a blog or forum or mailig list) or does it really try and lock you into Patreon's platform?
@frankiesaxx Amazon is not our friend. They never will be and they have no interest in helping individual authors, just making as much money as possible.
However, most people around me don't see it that way.
you see it every time Amazon makes an arbitrary change too; everyone using the platform scrambles to adjust and bitches to high hell about it, but they won't leave because it's still *more money than they make anywhere else* and Amazon knows it.
one of the reasons most of the mainstream SFF we read is from Angry Robot we can get DRM-free direct from their own website, and besides good books, publishers who do that are worth supporting
@aldersprig creators would have to be responsible for setting up another community portal and payment processing, yes.
personally, I REALLY dislike Patreon's model of centralizing their control of creator's communities and have already gotten rid of all my subscriptions in 2018 but one (which I was waiting until after the holidays to kill and will cancel this the month)
I'd rather support creators or projects via paypal even, direct or by subscription, or through buying merch or something
@aldersprig but people get to feel good about themselves AND save money!
@Robby But… that money they’re saving is money I’m not getting, as a creator. *sadface*
@aldersprig I know, I feel for people caught in these situations, when people take self-righteous actions without considering who they are going to hurt.
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